A bunch of RGS girls were photographed to be playing Poker at Junction 8 McDonald.
Photo from Stomp
Is this a new subject for Raffle’s IP programme? Or a new creative manner of solving Mathematics problems?
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You didn’t study the chapter on Permutations & Combinations?
No Miss Loi, they are trying to rediscover how our current element table was taught of.
what’s wrong with playing poker in sch u?
your question very funny:)
I said photo of a bunch of rgs girls playing poker at bishan. Since I didn’t exactly point out the school u part and you did…
that is exactly what is wrong.
i beg to differ. ordinarily unobjectional card games are often labelled criminal and ‘incorrect’, due to the fact that some people are simply incapable of differentiating between gambling and intellectual entertainment. has it even occurred to you that maybe they aren’t playing poker?
please do us all a favour and go back to grammar school, where you belong.
Ah, and you reek of elitism.
Well I got by with this kind of grammar for an A2 in GP..
Lol sumhow i got here by chance.
Maybe playing poker in public doesnt give a good impression (since singaporeans always talk abt “face”), but i don’t think there’s logically anything wrong with it, unless any money or material stuff was used to gamble. All depends on which point of view you are looking from, really.
To RGS girl: I think you should watch your phrasing and avoid personal attacks (eg. please do us all a favour and go back to grammar school, where you belong.) if you want to be taken seriously and not seen as elitist.
To admin: Not all RGS students, or top sch students, are like that. Please don’t let this minority create a negative impression of us in your mind.
Not problem, I belong to one of those supposedly “elite” schools as well and I can’t even do grammar.
what is wrong with playing cards in public area?
why people always like to find problem with students
from academically abled schools, it is just that
they know how to study abit more than the others, it does
not mean that they are angels, they are still human.
please do not stereotype, students are still growing,
they make erros like any other people, don’t make a shit hill out
of a small pile of shit, thank you
What is wrong with playing cards in public area?
Why people always like to find problem with students
from academically abled schools, it is just that
they know how to study abit more than the others, it does
not mean that they are angels, they are still human.
Please do not stereotype, students are still growing,
they make erros like any other people, don’t make a shit hill out
of a small pile of shit, thank you.
It takes just someone with IQ of 80 to tell you that when one dons a uniform, one automatically represents the organisation that uniform belongs to.
Being “more academically abled” as you put it, they should be even more aware of such things.
When I wear my Chinese High uniform, I don’t scold vulgarities in the public.
Firstly, just because you find the words that RGS girl uses big (or hard to understand?), doesnt mean that she reeks of elitism.
Secondly, scolding vulgarities in public is generally believed to reflect badly on a person and thus, we are not encouraged to indulge in such acts when we’re wearing our school uniform as it reflects badly on our school. You spouting vulgarities when you’re not in your Chinese High uniform doesnt redeem the very act that you’re committing (scolding vulgarities in this case), as it just reflects badly on your personality.
Something is wrong here because this another rafflesian is putting words in my mouth.
“Just because you find the words that RGS girl uses big (or hard to understand?), doesnt mean that she reeks of elitism.”
??? Just when did I say that?
The vulgarities is an example, showing that one should very well known that when wearing any uniform belonging to any organisation, what one does directly reflects the public’s impression of the organisation.
There is also a missing link between scolding vulgarities and bad personality that I simply cannot understand. Can our dear elite please advise on how does scolding vulgarities reflects one’s personality? Yes, scolding vulgarities is considered a “bad” behavior. But linking it to being representative of one’s personality is too much of a stretch.
Hi weikiat, why are you posting this in the first place? If you feel that it is wrong for top school students (or anyone)to play poker or card games in public I think it is better for you to tell them in face, or at least, convince us that it is bad. Posting their blurred photos here and sounding cynical will not really help, and you will just end up offending some people. Well, I’m not offended by what you have done, because it is your liberty, and I don’t see it as a disgrace to my school anyway. However I personally feel that you are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill by raising this petty issue and making these RGS girls look like criminals caught red-handed doing something illegal.
Hi Ex RGS Girl (another anonymous coward from rgs.. sigh), Where did all your comprehension skill go?
See, the photo above was posted by someone on Stomp, and I only reproduce it here because I find it interesting and would like to see what my blog readers have to say.
“Making a mountain out of a molehill” through my blog is like advertising a product by throwing a brochure out of an airplane in its flight and hoping that someone will find it and buy the product.
I think that playing poker in school uniform is wrong. Especially if the students playing them are from a well known school. Even if those girls weren’t playing poker and gambling, people can get the misconception that they were. How will that reflect on them and the school? If they want people to know that they are not playing poker or gambling but doing something meaningful, then dont play with the poker cards. Have your meal at macs and just go home to play.There is no need to play cards at a restaurant. You are just hogging up the seats and it is inconsiderate. Whats that now about the girls? It is not about gambling but about how considerate they are. Finally if they want to do something like that, maybe do it in home clothes.
To: ex rgs girl,
LOL if you not at least offended you wont put up a post here…
To: Admin,
I agree to you, a uniform represent its organisation.. y just cant they return to their homes and change to something that belong to themselves..
To everyone else,
There always a black sheep among the whites ones.. RGS is a good school but are all the student doing what the society want them to do? this is another q.. so its a small thingy.. if police find it unacceptable, i guess it not correct either.. so small thingy la, they not gg to go to jail or what..
I think that as long as they weren’t making noise or disturbing the people around them, it’s fine. I don’t see why this should come as a problem. I mean it’s pretty obvious that they weren’t gambling (or so I think, I’m sorry if it’s wrong)and this kind of harmless card games are fine.
But if such things do come across as ‘bad’ in the eyes of public then maybe the students should take note and be more situationally aware that they represent their school.
hey i would just like to ask, if it is a group of non-elite school pupils caught playing poker in public will someone bother to post it up? sometimes it’s not us who want to be “different” from the other students and be the “elites”, it’s because others expect more from us, others are treating us differently from the other students. we are not the ones who asked to be regarded as the “geniuses”, it’s the others who gave us this title.
i see poker as a form of entertainment, just like playing the psp or uno cards, as long as money’s not involved. i believe many of my other schoolmates see poker as a form of entertainment too. i am not ashamed to say that we often play it in school during our free time or camps and stuff. our social studies teacher even got us to play indian poker to gain better understanding of what we were learning. i don’t get what is so bad about poker, really. just because it is a game people play while gambling? well, we play it without the money then.
seriously, we are teenagers who just want to have fun at times too, just like any other non-rgs teenager you see on the streets. we are not in this society just for the general public out there to discuss about our actions. are we animals in a zoo exhibit? just treat us like you will treat any other secondary school student, please.
Whoa look at all the fuss that came out of a small picture.
I think that the girls in the picture would have been kinda aware of what sort of criticism they face if they play poker in public in their school uniform. Yet they still did it so it’s just their decision really.
Basically it’s their lives. What they want to do, they do. What consequence they face, they face. Being from an ‘elite’ school, they stand out more so maybe next time they should be more conscious of this fact? But in the end it is still their decision so all we can do is just stand one side and offer them our opinions.
You obvious have some form of inability to comprehend who is the one who posted it to stomp, and who is behaving like a “sorry ads” here.
Ok.. so the general consensus here is that… ooooooh.. I’m a RGS student and I don’t think playing poker in the public in uniform is wrong. Hence I can do that and fuck care about school’s reputation
/pwn.
yeah ikr?? and deleting my comment is so brilliant on your part.
you’re so… strangely judgmental.
Ok, I do believe it is wrong to play poker in a public area in a school uniform, but I also believe it is wrong to publicly criticize them, and by posting pictures like these on the net, you would just be aggravating the situation. Instead, if you felt insulted/offended by them playing poker in public, you should have gone up to them and told them to stop. After all, they are just students and in the process of growing up to be fine and mature adults. I’m very sure you had your days too, people (non students).
And Rafflesians, please do refrain from doing anything, i emphasize, anything, that will put down the name of the Raffles schools. You have been given an opportunity to study in such a great school, cherish this opportunity. Have fun, y’all.
Why can’t all these rgs people understand that the picture wasn’t taken by weikiat and he already acknowledged the source as from Stomp. Why do these people insist that weikiat is the one who took the photo? RGS DON’t understand???!!!
i am from hci and anyway unless u have an IQ which is < than ur age u wouldnt enjoy poker without money. Cos it is completely pointless.
Um I agree that it’s their decision if they want to play poker in the public, and yes maybe next time they should be more aware of their surrounding, and that they’re wearing school uniforms. But the thing is really, why do you post it up here? Yeah I get it that you’re not the one who took the photo, so I’m not gonna say you should have just stopped them or something like that. But the thing is if you posted it up here to see what others have to say about it, then why do you insult or at least respond sarcastically to any Rafflesian who happens to come by and defends themselves? I mean isn’t it natural for people to do that? Sorry but I just think it’s wrong if you put it up here just to see other people criticize rafflesians. And if you think my previous statement was me putting words into your mouth, sorry again but really, that’s what your intention appears to me to be.
It’s no wrong playing cards in the public but they shouldn’t have done it in uniform. My girl is in RGS and I am ex-student of Nanyang Girls. Elite or not, one should always remember that when you are in uniform, you are not only yourself, the whole school/corporate image depends on your behaviour. So guys from ‘non-elite’ school, you have no excuse to behave badly in the public in uniform too!
seriously, rg girls hardly know how to play poker, they’re probably playing bridge or something.
no big deal man, really. they’re just entertaining themselves, its almost as good as taking a photo of a rg girl reading a book and going “GASP, she’s entertaining herself, she’s reading a book! CALL THE COPS!”
personally i think this whole post is rather pointless. in which case many of you would wonder why i’ve even bothered to say anything. but i’m bored, and this is way better than the work i have piled up.
honestly, i think this post is pointless wherever it was published/reproduced. I seriously think that the interpretation that playing cards is equivalent to gambling or is bad is, in my opinion highly over-rated. Why cant this be 4 intellectual development? i wud like 2 appeal to every1 here not to misjudge or hold prejudice against us just cuz we’re from rgs. we r just normal teenagers after all n pls understand this for gods sake cuz we are sick of how the public feels that we must be prim n proper which i think is kinda off…
cant you people just stop making a fuss out of this issue, it’s seriously no big deal.
the point I want to make has finally came up…
RGS play poker in public - explain as intellectual development.
Government school student caught playing card in public leh?
can u find sumtink better to do???too bored izzit?RGS ROCKS,OKAY?
Hi admin,
I am a student from the raffles schools, and read the main post and the comments that have followed.
Yes, the act henceforth may be wrong, i.e. playing poker cards in public, especially in school uniform. That is undisputable if you keep thinking of the negative connotation to poker, which sadly is often used for gambling.
By the way, how do you know it is poker? It may be Big 2 for all you know. It’s a more popular form of relaxing-through-card-games.
Then again the act is wrong because the public thinks card games always involves gambling. Hence, if a student in school uniform (and not only RGS or RI or some elite school) plays card games, it is wrong.
We can’t argue with that, it is how the society views it to be, and playing in school uniform, universally and not only students from elite schools, is wrong because we are considered ambassadors of the school when we wear the school uniform anyway.
I won’t argue with that.
But please note your sarcastic comments regarding the issue:
“Is this a new subject for Raffle’s IP programme? Or a new creative manner of solving Mathematics problems?”
I hope that is not a targeted insult at the Raffles Programme. You should know that this is a public blog and by posting such sarcastic comments, you are bound to earn the ire of a number of people who come from the Raffles schools. Especially those, the teaching staff and the school administration, who have put in much effort to ensure the successful running of the Raffles Programme.
And the second comment from top, your comment. Please note the sarcasm in it also.
Again, I hope you will understand that by making your blog public, you are making it open to the public eye. Please be careful of what you write in order not to sound provocative, even if you do not intend it to be. Thanks.
What I seriously feel about the matter is that coming for a relatively better school, they should have more than enough common sense to not do such stuff in the public. I mean, it is wrong for government school students to do such stuff in the public too.
When I post this up I was looking for a few possible responses from RGS students. They are:
1) “Sorry, being in our school uniform, our students should not have done that and bring disgrace to our school”
2) “Those are just black sheep. We aren’t ALL like that.”
3) “Its for intellectual development. You non-elites would never understand that.”
Judging from all the responses above, our elite aren’t that elite at all.
Being “elite” does not give you the right to excuse away a mistake by explaining it as “intellectual” development.
Some evidences:
“Some people are simply incapable of differentiating between gambling and intellectual entertainment.”
“our social studies teacher even got us to play indian poker to gain better understanding of what we were learning.”
“Why cant this (playing cards in public) be 4 intellectual development? ”
Many are also so blind to the fact that the issue here is not RGS girls playing cards. The issue here is UNIFORMED school girls from RGS are playing cards IN THE PUBLIC.
I think admin has clarified the argument enough to state what exactly the point of contention here is. It is the issue that “UNIFORMED school girls from RGS are playing cards IN THE PUBLIC.”
Now let us look at that statement more carefully. “Uniformed” pretty much means that these girls were carrying the image of their school, RGS, with them. Not only is it the name of RGS, but it is also the name of the Raffles schools. Hmm. Alright, so what exactly are the consequences of this?
They were playing cards in the public. Put the two points together and we can see the argument here is that when the playing of cards and the wearing of a school uniform (especially that of a top school) comes together, it is not appropriate. Why is it not appropriate?
Now we have to look at the action of playing cards more closely. Playing cards is, as seen by the general public and accepted as the status quo, a less-than-decent activity. This is due to the connotations of gambling embedded within the activity itself. Gambling is another activity which is considered morally indecent by many. However, because many people view playing cards as synonymous with gambling, playing cards has been labeled as morally indecent too. This is the first premise this argument is based on.
When a student wears her uniform, she is presumed to be a symbol of her school itself. When she acts as a symbol of her school, she is expected to maintain a proper image of her school. Whatever she does, as long as her belonging to her school is recognized, she has a duty to uphold a positive image of her school. Being morally decent in all of her activities is one of the ways in which she is obligated to keep up a positive image. This is the second premise.
When we put these together, and we see that uniformed students were playing cards, we see conclude that they were failing to carry out their duty as students of their school. If we do wish to counter this argument, we will have to attack of the two premises. The second is relatively harder to debunk, as relations between the school and its students are partially set and strengthened by the school itself, to which many of us do not belong. But let us look at the first premise: that playing cards is morally indecent. How true is it?
As I have explained in this matter, this statement stems out of the facts that playing cards has been likened to gambling, and that gambling is also morally indecent. The latter has been perceived as truth for centuries, and has also been condemned greatly by society (notwithstanding the fact that gambling takes place in larger and more socially accepted arenas, such as the stock market - but that aside for now, as it is not the point).
However, we must evaluate the former more carefully. Why exactly has playing cards been likened to gambling? It is true that playing cards are considered a hallmark of the casino, which in turn is the hallmark of gambling. However, in today’s times, the act has evolved to such where it may be used for harmless recreation, entertainment, or any other such activity meant purely for enjoyment and relief of stress. This is apparent in not only teenagers, but all members of the community too. Playing cards occupies the same level of recreation as activities like gaming, watching movies and playing sport do. Anyone who has willingly tried playing cards, whether in uniform or not, would have definitely acknowledged that it is more often than not a form of harmless entertainment.
In light of this, we will have to reassess our premise that playing cards is synonymous with gambling. We may have come to realize that it really is not so in today’s context. The only hurdle here is to reach this out to the masses.
I do agree that it is wrong for uniformed students to be playing cards in public, but it is not because I feel that playing cards is a wrong form of activity. It is because, I feel, that society has not adjusted itself to the current day’s scenario, and is instead living in slightly backward times. It is the fault of our anachronistic society to have failed to rethink its ideas, to reaffirm its judgments, to reformulate its arguments. If we can change this perception in society, perhaps we can consider the girls’ act to be doing less harm than we see it to be.
On another note, to admin: I humbly ask you not to pull in the name of the school (and its status/standing in Singapore) into the argument. I believe, as can be inferred from what I have said, that the name of the school does not matter - it is instead the fact that they were uniformed at that period of time that matters.
I am a Rafflesian, if anybody wishes to know. However I doubt that this revelation should play a part in any logical counter-argument any of you may bring up.
she’s playing cards, not smoking, dude.
when you see neighbourhood school dudes smoking, do you take pictures of them and post on stomp or stamp or whatever?
no.
have you never seen students wearing school uniform cursing and swearing in public?
do you not think cursing and swearing at the top of their voices is worse?
before you start pointing fingers at others, take a look at yourself.
this uniform is a magnet for attraction of people, who place higher expectations on them than others.
playing cards in public is indeed, not appropriate.
whether you don your uniform a not, it still is.
Who cares what these gals are doing as long as they are not harming anyone? I am offended that somebody would actually go around taking pictures of others, who are doing things that are none of his business. I have not seen all of Stomps pictures/articles but judging but what I have been seeing, I now have an aversion to it.
Pheew. Aside from this little outburst, I can see it as part of the IP programme. Seriously. haha.. It is a great way to learn statistics and develop an intuition for it if there is such a thing. Poker can engage the mind.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with paying poker cards in school uniform in public, although some people may think differently. But there isn’t a law saying that pupils cannot play poker cards in uniform is there? I think some people should realise that there’s nothing wrong playing with poker cards, as long as no money is involved. Poker cards can just be an entertainment, it can just be like the UNO cards that some kids play with. The girls could have just use poker cards to play a game of UNO.
To admin: If the photo taken is a picture of RGS girls playing UNO cards you won’t even bother doing anything will you? So why did you post the photo here?
Cannot blend in la dude, rj comp where got “la” and “:)”
Anyway, congrats on getting in!
HEY! I’M IN THE PICTURE!! I WON $20 BUCKS FROM THE GAME! so you no life people go find other people to harass la!
Wei Kiat, is that you? If it is you, you will know EL Monstaa…
The response left by “comments” on 21 Jan seem particularly interesting. He/she claims that it is wrong for uniformed students to be playing cards in public not because the activity itself is wrong, but because the old school society is anachronistic and out of touch with modern times. He/she tries to justify this by attempting to prove that the first premise of playing cards being a less than decent activity is no longer valid today. A few points to make:
1) Does today’s society in general still view playing cards as being less than decent and unacceptable? As mentioned in many other previous responses, playing cards is generally acceptable in today’s society. It is one of the most common activities when friends or family gather. If playing cards today were still morally indecent as the author describes, we should be condemning every instance of playing cards, and NOT just uniformed students playing cards. Unfortunately, that is not the case.
2) As seen from point 1 the author is clearly unsuccessful at trying to debunk what he considers “the first premise”. Since he does not attempt to attack the second premise in his argument, we can take it that he assumes it to be valid. As such we can conclude that the author’s argument clearly does not stand.
3) It is quite obvious that the issue is not with playing cards, but with UNIFORMED STUDENTS playing cards IN PUBLIC. The author has also failed to address the notion that the activity of playing cards was conducted in public by those students in uniform. If he could offer a constructive case against this notion then that could help his argument.
Considering that the author was a Rafflesian, his/her argument is very disappointing. Evidently, the problem is not with playing cards, which is a commonplace activity nowadays. The main issue is that students in uniform should not conduct such an activity in public. Suppose that uniformed policemen were photographed playing cards in public instead. Wouldn’t the backlash be even worse?
There is a time and place for everything. If you desperately want to do something inappropriate, always remember the SAF 8th core value by heart: Don’t Get Caught.
So its gambling after all. Shame.
who gives a flying fuck about this bunch of rgs/non-rgs students playing strip poker/exploding snap/london bridge?
it all results in more traffic for weikiat hohohoho. to the supposed students of the “pre-eminent” institution in singapore, i’m surprised you even took the bait. hooklineSINKA much?
p.s: pls email me if they start to strip!
KNN comments i know your gp fucking pro, dont haolian liao
ORD LOH! byebyecheebye singapore we’re off to see the wizard, the wonderful wizard of pot!
Honestly, I don’t see the point of this post. It’s an iirony, really that your question is rather valid:
“Is this a new subject for Raffle’s IP programme? Or a new creative manner of solving Mathematics problems? ”
Well, yes it is indeed. Card counting is part of what we learn for Raffles Academy Mathematics (for your information) and contrary to popular opinion, you don’t neccessarily have to lose all your money when you play poker (as a form of gambling). Someone with adequate skills in card counting should be able to turn the odds in his/her favour. So what’s wrong with gambling intelligently? why should it be different from any other so-called “legitimate” job?
A word of advice, please don’t stereotype against playing cards (and RGS girls) point blank.
Well you see, no matter how you can justify it, it is still wrong.
Like a NSF guy who was caught sleeping in uniform at Bishan MRT, although he can argue that sleeping at that time would help him increase productivity in camp… there is still the question of the organisation you represent by wearing the uniform.
Another point I want to prove is how self delusional elitist reply react to being pointed out their wrongdoings. Rather than admitting it, they will point out a hundred and one reason why what they were doing is correct. It may even be the same even if these girls were caught smoking. Students from RGS will tell me how healthy smoking is.
You are making assumptions.
I seriously think that we should all just stop arguing over who’s right and who’s wrong here. Like even RGS and RI has some black sheep, everyone knows that. RGS girls aren’t saints, just look at my class during Geography and Math. We still get our fair share of punishments, detentions, bookings, scoldings etc etc.
Its true that such an incident will no doubt leave a negative impression on others but, like Anoymous said, most of us are making assumptions. Very blatant and hurtful ones. You can say that I’m a self-delusional elitist or whatever other nasty insult you have but don’t forget, you probably would also defend your school fiercly. Thats called loyalty, not self-delusion.
As a former student of RGS, I know that the girls were most probably playing bridge, and were definitely not playing with money. Bridge is a social game that promotes intellectual development, and I don’t think there is anything wrong with playing it, especially since there are even bridge CCAs in some schools.
Seriously, as a RGS girl, I think that my seniors were not doing anything illegal. They may not even be playing poker. I honestly think that relaxing with a simple, non-gambling, or anything ;against-the-rules’ games is so bad. After all, they went to Bishan perphaps for third language and afterwards went to McDonalds to have a meal and elax. Why is this cauing such a fuss? After all, the school rules are extremely strict and I am SURE they will not defy rules. You people are paranoid.
The basic assumptions that those from the better schools are supposed to have better characters and knowledge just because their education is better is a totally flawed reasoning. If you see a neighbourhood school student playing poker cards, you would never complain but why us? We deserve the basic human rights of the freedom to do what we want to do (but we still have to consider the community), but poker cards are just purely a form of entertainment and do not affect anyone except for the fact that they might be taking up space that others could use for their meal, but it is a form of entertainment still. Even if it is regarded as a vice, do not tell me that anyone is without any vice, everyone has bad habits and we have to accept difference. We are not self-delusionary people who try to avoid and push the blame to others, we are just stating the truth. We are not at fault at times. Stop being so particular about us, won’t you?
Yr assumption of the basic assumptions is not the assumption made in this case.
This basic assumption is, if a person is from a so called “elite” school as I was from one also, he or she, like me, would appreciate the very fact that being in uniform makes you a representative of the school and you should be more aware of government school students what are all the OB markers on what you should or should not be doing in the public.
No, all those from “elite” schools who posted here have given me non-elite replies, giving me reasons such as entitled to the same freedom, it is for entertainment etc.
For freedom, nobody says anything about giving government schools students the freedom to do such things in the public. It is just that they lack the awareness of simply could not be bothered, which is something that “elites” are emulating in this case.
For the thing about entertainment. The issue still boils down to the awareness of the organization you are representing while in the uniform.
When you are in army, and after getting caught for sleeping or smoking in uniform on public transport or places, try telling your disciplinary officer that it does not hurt anyone and hence you should not be punished. I have charged many soldiers for smoking in public in uniform.
To reiterate, the crux of issue, which I have so successfully highlighted by using this entry to draw even more examples of the same issue, is that the current generation of so called “elites” are blind and selfish bats who do understand or care about the very fact that a uniform represents an organisation, and explain their own selfish wrong-doings using entitlement to freedom and entertainment.
We are all free to steal from another, isn’t it?
After reading your replies in response to others, RGS or non-RGS alike, I can only say your tone smacks of ‘elitism’ as your words about ‘the very fact that a uniform represents an organisation’ and ‘I have charged many soldiers for smoking in public in uniform’ suggest that ‘I know better than you’ and ‘I represent the authority’.
Frankly, your underlying motive about ‘looking for a few possible responses from RGS students’ are highly questionable as seen by your selection of the responses:
1) “Sorry, being in our school uniform, our students should not have done that and bring disgrace to our school”
2) “Those are just black sheep. We aren’t ALL like that.”
3) “Its for intellectual development. You non-elites would never understand that.”
The first two responses were what you were expecting from the RGS girls. You wanted them to be remorseful, to show a sense of shame, to publicly denounced the wrong-doing and to say you-are-so-right-and-we-are-so-wrong sort of replies. All these are just to enable you to go into a lengthy diatribe about the entire episode.
You were so stunned by the third response from your selection that all you could say was
‘Judging from all the responses above, our elite aren’t that elite at all.’
As can be seen, the only reason for putting the picture in your website is to seek opportunity for you to indulge in RGS bashing. The mere fact that you persisted in dropping or rather dripping ‘elites’ and ‘elitism’ in a highly provocative manner is proof enough that you are going for the jugular. Your concluding words below gave you away:
‘To reiterate, the crux of issue, which I have so successfully highlighted by using this entry to draw even more examples of the same issue, is that the current generation of so called “elites” are blind and selfish bats who do understand or care about the very fact that a uniform represents an organisation, and explain their own selfish wrong-doings using entitlement to freedom and entertainment.’
Since you said that ‘[w]e are all free to steal from another,’ I do believe the RGS girls have stolen your thunder and left you sputtering. You have so far been ‘full of sound and fury, [but really] signifying nothing’.
Yawn. The stealing example is to address the point about “freedom”. Because someone said it is their freedom to do such actions in the public, hence I am asking of since we are all “free” to steal, shouldn’t you go ahead and do that first?
I had a RGS girlfriend so what is there to be stolen? What is there to bash?
That sentence was added as an after thought, and me being too lazy to insert it properly into the reply.
Why would I be stunned by the 3) responses, since it among what I have predicted? I am only putting up a conclusion from the response, no point posting a rebuttal for that response.
You are selectively reading. The (3) responses you quoted are rare. Count how many instances of other responses they are.
Like I said, it is about the “current generation of elites.” Did that read “RGS” to you?
Guilty conscious?
OK, so your point is just that playing poker in school uniform is wrong, because playing poker is socially unacceptable, and they should be aware of the fact that they wear school uniform, which means they’re representing their school, right?
OK, what i think on the “point[s] [you] want to make”:
1. “RGS play poker in public - explain as intellectual development.
Government school student caught playing card in public leh?”
- Uh, government school student playing card in the public, you think anyone would take their photo and post it online in the first place?”
2. “Another point I want to prove is how self delusional elitist reply react to being pointed out their wrongdoings. Rather than admitting it, they will point out a hundred and one reason why what they were doing is correct.”
- No bringing up any new point, but firstly, we don’t know what they’re playing. Cards themselves are not sinful objects that should be condemned by all. And let’s just assume they WERE playing poker (I don’t think so, but still), whether playing poker is socially acceptable or not really depends on the person. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it, as long as no money is involved. You’re entitled to your opinion, and I’m entitled to mine, just like everyone else is entitled to theirs. So why do you have to say that all those who think “no money involved=nothing wrong with playing poker” are trying to hide their mistakes by trying to say what they’re doing is right?
and if you’re trying to talk about “UNIFORMED school girls from RGS are playing cards IN THE PUBLIC.” then what’s with the sarcastic remark about the Raffles’ IP program? and why keep bringing up “elites”?
just some thoughts
I believe you didn’t read?
“Rather than admitting it, they will point out a hundred and one reason why what they were doing is correct. It may even be the same even if these girls were caught smoking. Students from RGS will tell me how healthy smoking is.” <-Which is why the issue of elite is being brought up.
Yr 1 and 2 are asking the same thing.
I think that the person who started this only have 6 words to describe, 吃饱饭没事做。
I did read all the replies, being bored and all.
and no, my 1 and 2 are not asking the same thing. In fact they are not even asking things really. They are rhetorical questions.
1 was trying to point out that whether YOUR focus is on the fact that they are RGS girls or not, the fact is that the photo is taken because they are RGS girls, because they are supposedly elites and therefore are help to higher standards yada yada yada. Because in all honesty, I don’t think anyone will even think about taking a photo of neighbourhood school students playing cards in the public. And to say the truth, after reading all your replies and everything, it really does seem like you’re just trying to bash RGS girls, for being “not so elite after all” and all that. But if that’s really not your intention, I admit it could be a misunderstanding on my part.
2 was trying to point out that just because some RGS girls or some rafflesians are saying that there is nothing wrong with playing poker cards, doesn’t mean that “Rather than admitting it, they will point out a hundred and one reason why what they were doing is correct.” Because that sentence (the one in quotes) suggests that they are just saying it to avoid admitting they were wrong, meaning you are assuming that everyone (and therefore all these RGS girls and Rafflesians) WILL think that this is wrong, which is not true.
“We are all free to steal from another, isn’t it?”
I think stealing is correct, hence it is correct. Are you trying to imply that?
You think you make the social norm? Then what does that makes you?
I am tired of the arrogant tones of nearly everyone who posted on this page.
Sure, it’s not good to play card games in school uniform, and in the public. And it’s also not good to post this — it’s somewhat like a direct insult on the school.
The majority of the comments make sense. Yet everyone is simply reiterating similar points over and over again. You’re all just insisting on your premises. No one is giving in, and no one is being considerate.
If you have a point to make, why not say it in a better tone? I don’t see why everyone has to speak (type?) in such a scornful tone — I don’t see how doing that would help anyone.
do wt is rite when ya in ur sch u.
tt is our responsibility. no point arguing abt this cos majority of e ppl will say its wrong to play poker n stuff in sch u.
I’ve previously posted here, but somehow my comment seems to have mysteriously disappeared.
As a Rafflesian myself, I am rather inclined to agree that my seniors weren’t playing poker. Heck, we hardly even have exposure to it. We usually choose games like Bridge anyway.
But that isn’t the point here today.
Ultimately, there will always be three groups of people - those who adamantly refuse to agree that there is nothing wrong with playing poker in school uniform; those who adamantly refuse to agree that there is something wrong with playing poker in school uniform and those who sit on the fence. It all comes down to a matter of our moral beliefs, our sense of right and wrong and society’s unspoken standards and stereotypes that have been set.
The stereotypes are pretty obvious, aren’t they. “Elite” students shouldn’t be playing such games in public, it’s a disgrace to their school and etc.
(then we could counter-argue with the Rights Theory where everyone has the right to choose what they want to do and society has to uphold and respect that right, but again, that’s not the issue today)
Again, I am inclined to speak up for my school - for RGS, for the family of Rafflesians. But I’m tired of reading comment after comment - like what the anonymous commenter has said - that reiterates similar points over and over again. The way the argument is playing itself out is no different from a slippery slope.
Let’s just let go, shall we? We’re much stronger than this; we shouldn’t let this affect us.
Let’s move on.
I’d just like to add - before other Rafflesians start to throw eggs at me - by choosing to let go of this petty issue, it doesn’t mean I don’t feel for the school or Raffles any longer. This isn’t a small issue, but then again - it isn’t a huge one either.
It’s just a matter of our perspective. If we all learn to respect each others’ perspectives, we wouldn’t have to be embroiled in this petty argument over a photo where its source can’t even be verified to begin with. Unless we know the girls in real life, we will never be able to know the true happenings on that day. So why bother arguing over the unknown?
The only thing that really irks me is the arrogance of the blog author, particularly in the last two lines of the post. It would be nice to see more tact and sensitivity in your comments too.
I would, perhaps assume that the RGS girls are just playing cards. The photo does not depict them playing poker. Especially since it is a photo, how is it possible to tell from a mere photo that they are playing poker? It would take a properly recorded video to do so.
All these comments are therefore pointless as these people are arguing over something that is based on an assumption.
why must you criticize rgs girls in your last 2 sentences?
do you not know that you are acutally offending them?
i know that it is nothing wrong with you posting this photo as it was not taken by you.
but please do not say such remarks when you don’t know the truth.
i’m just speaking up for these people.
HELLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO wat is wrong with playing poker?Dun tell me u nvr play b4???Pls dun anyhow critisce anyone ok.
honestly, no one gives a shit… look at all those kids kissing and doing funny stuff on the street, what’s wrong with playing a little bridge? besides, playing cards NOT equal to gambling, which is why i don’t get why such silly rules are put in place
Okay, I’m a student part of the Raffles family. Just my two cents worth…
I do agree with your point, weikiat. Even your sarcasm.
Basically, what you are trying to (probably) say is that these girls lack a sense of responsibility to their school.
And I wholeheartedly agree. Playing poker cards (be it whatever game) is not accepted by societal norm, and is an unspoken rule. And these girls want to blatantly challenge this unspoken rule. Call it daring, call it a revolution, but it’s an irresponsible act towards the reputation of the school.
And to the many out there who may say that it is an unspoken rule only for the elite schools, I beg to differ. It is an unspoken rule that people who play cards outdoors are showing disrespect to people, but the elite schools are more noted because they are likely to be future leaders, who need to learn how to uphold their image.
At the very least, don’t play these games in uniform. Have some sense of responsibility.
Well, like you said the focus is on UNIFORMED girls playing in PUBLIC, and not so about the fact that they are from RGS. Am I right?
Then would it be correct for me to say that if the two girls were from another neighbourhood school (assuming that they were photographed, and you posted a picture of them up here too), then your comments would be changed from
“Is this a new subject for Raffle’s IP programme? Or a new creative manner of solving Mathematics problems? ”
to
“Is this a new subject for the GCE O’levels introduced in xxxx secondary school? Or a new creative manner of solving Mathematics problems? ”
?
I don’t think you’d bother, seriously. (I anticipate an excuse such as “I’ve posted one, I don’t need another”).
Oh, just wondering. I think there should be pictures of students from neighbourhood schools smoking / playing cards / other acts deemed inappropriate due to the fact that they are in uniform, nothing else. Was it a mere coincidence you happened to pick a picture of RGS girls out of all of the pictures?
this is ludicrous, what’s wrong with playing poker in school uniform?
they were not even playing with money or anything right?
so, why are you complaining so much?
you don’t even know that full story, so don’t talk like you know everything
you ain’t that smart (:
you were saying that rgs computers have no words like “la” or smiley faces
?
you want to find me a computer in that doesn’t have the letters “l” and “a”
lols, weirdo.
you’re not even an RGS girl, so i don’t think you have the right to comment to anything.
we appreciate feedbacks, but seriously, you have the intellectual capacity of a squashed apricot.
And you have the brains of a monkey in the heat.
No seriously, if you want to defend yourself, you don’t go attack the personality/brains/character of the person whose views you want to defend against.
It only shows once again my point, and also hows how uncultured RGS girls can be.
since this is a public blog, we have to mind our language. it will do no good to offend anyone. i think that u shld not stereotype the whole school by saying that we are all ‘uncultured’. this is very offensive on your part. personally, i think that playing cards does not necessarily mean gambling. also, they may not be playing poker. the cards could be used to play bridge or other games. the problem is that when one sees these cards, one would usually associate them with gambling. that is merely an assumption. the statements below the pic. is highly sarcastic. it mainly targets at the raffles schools. though the fact that they are wearing the sch u would affect rg’s image, the whole point of the article is not on ‘elite’ students doing what they are not supposed to do. if some other student from a neighbourhood school did that, no one would even bother to post the pic on stomp or to post it on their blog to make it seem like a huge issue. the problem is that some people like to pick on students from ‘elite’ schools. true, we may make mistakes sometimes but wouldn’t any other normal person? there are many other cases when pics of students from ‘elite’ schools get posted on blogs when they do something not deemed as acceptable by members of the public. this shows that people are watching our every move, trying to pick on any mistakes that we make. some may mean good i.e. reminding us that it is bad. but others only wish to make the ‘elite’ schools look bad. i do hope that u could look at issues from diff. points of views and learn to understand.
ermm how long is this going to drag on?
lets say the rgs girls did make a mistake. but do you still see them playing poker? if they still are playing poker publicly then continue. but they arent, or you prove it.
even world leaders make mistakes. if these girls did make a mistake, why drag it on? just stop and let go can ornot. do you keep bringing up the mistake of a world leader for…
what 9 MONTHS?! of course not. so stop lah. so bo liao meh.
frankly, i do not see the point of this hulabaloo over RGS girls playing poker in public. In fact, you aren’t even sure if they’re playing poker.
Judging from the tone of admin’s comments, it seems that he(from ‘I had a RGS girlfriend’) is implying that an apology was expected from RGS was rather shocking as they may have be misunderstood.
I have also seen students from other academic institutions, JCs included, behaving in such ways, or even worse. However, I don’t seem to fint their pictures posted. Their behaviors include snogging in public libraries.
Perhaps we should all just let bygones be bygones.
weikiat,
seems like you ‘attack the personality/brains/character of the person whose views you want to defend against’. Why are you attacking on the students? practise what you preach. this simply shows how uncultured you yourself are- when you point one finger, four of your other fingers point back at yourself.
Understandably, the RGS girls are unhappy at the prospect of their reputation being scorned.
However, the best defence is a strong offence, and that is what the replies of the so-called RGS girls have indicated. “we appreciate feedbacks, but seriously, you have the intellectual capacity of a squashed apricot.” etc.
Invariably all this indicates is that there is something to defend, and also a hint of internalised guilt. No faces were shown, no accusations were made and no lasting damage was done, should the students maintain their claim that the picture contains students playing “big two”, or “intellectual card games”, so why the sudden outburst and anger at the picture?
If the playing of card games is a well and true culture and is socially accepted as the above comments claim, then it would be indeed irrational and pointless to continue arguing innit. Capiche?
Fin.
@fin, agree.
Catch 22.
Wow, this post is nearly a year old.
Keep the comments coming.
After browsing these posts, I felt very amused. So what is the real problem with playing poker in school uniform?
Did the girls demonstrate bad card game etiquette? Did they disturb anyone around them? Do we have the evidence that they were gambling, for that matter?
Then, in this case i don’t see the difference between seeing them play poker and seeing them play, for example, uno.
If this is the result of a preconception on poker cards, I have a good example of how the educational value of poker cards is officially endorsed. In the Singapore International Mathematical Olympiad training team, an official group that trains talented student to represent S’pore at International Olympiads, GERMAN BRIDGE is THE sport. And here we’re not just talking about RGS girls, also on the suspects list are Hwa Chong boys, RI boys, RJC students etcetc. They play poker cards too. They could do it anywhere. They just haven’t been caught.
So what is so alarming about RGS girls playing poker cards in uniform? If it were too neighbourhood school students and they were being perfectly self-contained in their enjoyment of the game, why not? Though of course I agree that the girls could have been more sensitive in their choice of venue (given the possibility that they may be taking up someone else’s seat), they in no way deserve so much criticism.
And lastly, I’m okay with the admin’s provocative posts if they are meant to spice up the discussion. However, I’m sure everyone here will also appreciate it if the admin himself could create a more comfortable environment for interaction without fear of being shot down by stereotypes or stinging comments. Do mind your language and set a good example for the rest.
I am seriously annoyed by people who post this kind of stuff. What does poker have to do with a subject they teach in IP, or a way to solve mathematical problems? All these are irresponsible and unfounded remarks that the poster should be ashamed of.
Before people start calling me an elitist, let me clarify that I don’t care what school the poster comes from (By the way, I am not from Raffles Institution and I am a boy). Any people who makes such a remark is in the wrong. This is a type of comment that is totally unfounded, but implies something that incites huge arguments.
Playing poker may be seen as a form of gambling, but as long as there is no money transaction taking place, I feel that it is permissible, though it should not be encouraged. But since this discussion seems to have sidetracked into elitism, let me give my opinion on this.
Although a lot of people say that students from elite schools are elitists, these students can also be victims as well. Look at this particular incident for example. If it were two students from neighbourhood schools playing, I am quite sure that no one will complain. However, just because they are from elite schools, people start talking. But what is the big difference between a student from a elite school and a student from a non-elite school besides their academic results that warrant such a difference?
Ironically, the general public, like the original poster of this discussion, may be the ones who helped to create a elitism atmosphere in the first place. Due to the different way the public (or the selected few like the original poster of this thread) treats them, the students from elite schools are in fact segregated from the rest. The public treats them differently (or should I say hostilely), and thus they are unable to communicate or merge into public.
A lot of students from elite schools actually come from the same background from you and me. Many of them live in the heartlands, and lead the same lives as you and me. But the minute they get into elite schools, they become lonely. They feel ostracised by the society, who seems ever so eager to jump on every single tiny mistake they may make. But other than the fact that they are now labeled “elites”, they are actually still the same person. It is situations like this that creates the gap between the elites and non-elites. Instead of saying that students from elite schools are people with their noses in the end, we should be more open and welcoming and willing to communiate with them. That is a better way of resolving this issue about elitism than irresponsibly making false or dubious accusations on the internet.
Therefore, the next time you guys want to post something like this, think again about the consequences.
Oh, btw (this is somewhat irrelevant, but interesting/amusing/wtv to note), your question about creative problem solving was pretty accurate - our school actually made us design a casino game as a graded project for our maths unit on probability. XD
This is dumb lar. POst something more relevant pleasee.
I am a Sec 1 RGS girl and I’m not afraid to say so, so make whatever judgements you want to make based on the ‘label’ itself.
Previously, I was not in any ‘elite’ school, so I know what you people mean when you differentiate yourselves from ‘elite’ schools. But honestly, what is the big difference? Perhaps you would like to say that the more ‘elite’ schools are supposed to be more politically aware about what they are doing and what it will reflect on the school. If that is your point, state it clearly and please do not make it sound like we are commiting a crime.
No doubt, playing cards, poker or not, will damage the reputation of the school. Point taken. This is only one isolated incident, why such a big fuss? I’m not stating your point as you earlier mentioned “black sheep”"we are not all like that” but if you truly wish to prove your point that students should not play cards in public, why the sarcastic comments? You could perhaps denounce the behavior of the students, but why attack the school directly, or even the ‘elitism’ of a school?
Having said that, everyone is entitled to an opinion. You may feel that as RGS girls, we should not play cards in public. Fine. Perhaps you are right, I am not saying otherwise. But I feel that in you statements you are making a direct attack, at in particular, RGS girls, RGS and the school itself. If you have a point to make, say it clearly, and do not attack people. This is after all, a public blog.
Lastly, we are, after all, still human and teenagers like anyone else in singapore. Please do not discriminate us or hate us just because we are from ‘RGS’. You do not even know all 400+ of us personally. How can it be right to judge all pupils based on that? Isn’t it the same principal when we say racism is wrong, discrimination is wrong, women should have rights, etc? Why should this be any different?
Anyway, my main point is the next time you want to make a public statement or comment on something, please do not slam us or attack us.
Oh and by the way, if your intention for even putting this up was just to say ‘oh rgs girls are all evil’ there’s something in the law that goes against defaming an instituition, person etc.?
Please people, do stop making judgement by school. It’s only been 9 months since i entered school and the glances from people every time i say ‘oh im in rgs’ when they ask which school im from is blatant freaky.
But yes, calling you stupid and a moron is wrong and just proves we are elitist, so I shall not do that and I apologise on behalf of everyone who did say that. It probably was on the spur of the moment due to rage. But if you are going to anger people like this, you should have expected something like that. How would you feel if it was your school up there, ‘elite’ or not? Or even worse, how would you feel if someone declared everyone with the surname ‘tan’ arrogant? isn’t it blatant ridiculous?
In addition, we are not stating that ‘because we are rgs girls we can play cards since it’s educational.’ That’s beside the point. You have enraged many people because you just declared the school and everyone in it elitist, arrogant and whatever you are doing. If you’re true issue is with poker in uniform(which i believe is not the case)do NOT attack the school.
one thing: stereotype much? what does your school teach you? prejudice is acceptable?
haha. this is so amusing. just another bunch of jealous people.
Point no.1: Weikiat’s comments may have hurt RGS people, but he was merely making a stand on students playing cards in uniform, with a little sarcasm of course.
Point no.2: The public,and schools view playing cards in uniform as wrong,so students, from or not from RGS, should not do so in the future.(There is a reason why schools ban such playing cards,even if no gambling is involved and that is the negative connotation to gambling.)
Point no.3: It is senseless to conduct personal attacks.RGS/Raffles family people, please do not feel insulted, as I believe Weikiat has no intention of doing so. Weikiat: Your comments would be better if they were milder, as you may be misunderstood.
Point no.4: Perhaps the point of this issue is that RGS is a good school, hence all the more its students have uphold a good image of themselves,along with school students from other schools.
Okay. i was pretty bored so read MOST OF the comments. not all. so if i missed out anything, im sorry.
Firstly: Basically, playing cards=nothing wrong. WAIT. Dont criticise yet. continue reading. However, when you are playing cards, people will basically assume you are playing a certain game, like here, poker. Playing poker= neutral. But when you are in your school uniform, you are an ambassador of the school. in other word, representing the school. People dont care if you are playing bridge or poker, they see you playing cards, you are in the wrong. Most gambling involves card playing. Thus, it is excusable for people to assume you are gambling. In MY OPINION, the RGS girls are in the wrong. Readers from RGS, please dont think im saying this because of the fight between SC and RG and im trying to smear your reputation.
Next: If you are from XXX, which is a neighbourhood school, and you smoke. People see you, they firstly look for your school name. They then know deep inside their heart, “oh… that person from XXX. XXX such a lousy school.” If you are a student from YYY, which is a “elite” school, and you smoke. People see you, they recognise your school. They think, “Oh… so YYY although education good, behaviour not good.” Its basically the SAME.
SO, the mistake being made is REPRESENTING YOUR SCHOOL to do things that will create a bad impression, whether or not you are really doing the thing that people are assuming you are doing. So its not really about whether you are representing a neighbourhood or an “elite” school, it is about the consequences of your actions.
Here, i know i might get alot of bad comments regarding this post. but bear in mind, it is all my OPINION.
Well said.
agree. well-said.
so what if ppl play cards.
its only an impression to you and yourself alone.
its your choice whether or not to let that impression stay in your mind.
and that decision u just made, might jolly well show what kind of person u are.
its really normal to have personal impressions be it good or bad. but to post them online and try to spread them especially when they are bad impressions is not really a good thing unless you wanna kindle an argument cos u know there’ll someone out there who felt insulted by what u just posted.
anyways, its really fun to look for fallacies in this kind of topics cos most of them are really senseless. how the hell did u get an A2 in GP and does an A2 grade even exist in the A Levels that we’re taking now? lol
hi non mihi solum.
Obviously as blind as VP Tay.
This is a reposting of a photo from STOMP. If you think you are so good, go and get A1 and upload a photo of your certificate for all to see.
I am damn amazed this discussion going on for more than a year.
Seriously, zai.
Who cares if they play poker? No big deal. It’s fun and it’s an intellectual challenge.
Hi, I would like to point out one point that would lead you to making this post - the stereotypisation that poker is bad, and that it is ONLY related to gambling. I don’t think you should apply that in this case, unless you’ve actually seen what they’re playing. Poker cards can also substitute for Uno. Who knows what game they’re playing? And another reason this is posted up is because the girls are from RGS. And why is that so? Because the public respects them as the best, and the public in turn, must also demand the best, whether in academics or behaviour, from the girls. And thus here you are criticising their… poor choice of games. I understand that pupils from ‘elite institutions’ must conduct themselves well, but honestly, I think the definition of good behaviour is a little warped here.
~SCGS Girl
Your post IS reasonable, and it is perhaps the view of the general public. However, that must change. Why do we stereotype poker cards as gambling cards? They can be used to perform magic tricks, building a house of cards, or even used for boardgames, thus disproving your view that poker cards are mostly detrimental and used for gambling. And so, if the RGS girls are wronged, then the sarcasm in the author’s post is definitely unnecessary. Even if they are really playing poker, the author should not use a condescending tone towards the girls. After all, they are still growing up, and need time to mature. We have all made mistakes, and so let us not be so quick to judge and not jump to conclusions
I agree with the SCGS girl, although the students in the photo most probably weren’t playing poker (because RGS students usually play bridge or Big 2 IF we are even playing cards). And we are learning permutations and combinations this year in Maths by the way. Also, I feel that the author’s sacarsm can be toned down a little, by saying that “Is this a new subject for Raffle’s IP programme? Or a new creative manner of solving Mathematics problems?” it is directly insulting the 1200+ students of RGS as well as the RP programme which has so recently proved itself worthy as can be seen from the A Level results where 47% of the RI(JC) cohort have gotten distinctions in at least 4 H2 subjects.
Hi admin, you sound like some nitpicking son of a bitch. and yes i’m a fucking elitist. if you can’t even do grammar, work on that. and i bet you don’t even know how to spell poker, let alone know what it entails. get an education. no scrap that, get a life. and to all those out there who’re wondering, yes i’ll make no pretense of that, this is a fucking personal attack.
oh and admin, i am a retard
I am a retard
I am a retard.
RGS Sucks.
@Elitist
How can a elitist not know the fundamentals of proper reasoning skills?
From these, I can see that I am already more well-educated than you.
I mean, you can’t even do capital letters!
I’m in one of the top unis in Singapore, btw.
And I have a near perfect GPA, to boot.
But that still doesn’t mean that my reasoning is flawless.
I have made one point, and one point only. That students from elite schools can explain away their apparent wrong-doings under the guise of “education”, while less than elite students simply do not have this convenient excuse. Imagine a group of neighborhood school students were pictured instead of RGS students. If they say “its for education”, who would believe? How many would believe?
Secondly, to all the posters above, please grow up. So naive. The world is all about appearance. What you are really doing does not matter. If you are holding cards in your uniform in public, what would people think? What you are actually doing isn’t important.
This is perfect disregard for your school’s reputation. How can students from top schools not sensitive to more real world issues? What excuses can be given? If students from top schools are so naive, selfish and not street-wise, how about those from worst-off schools?
So what does this shows? Sad to say, although I came from a much better secondary school than RGS and therefore, by extension also belong to the “elite” group, “elite” students nowadays are simply too naive and selfish for their own good. Pui.
@Elitism again. Come on, read your comment again. You sound like some worthless beng. What a coward. If you want to say something that meant something, put your real name, and leave your address and phone number. Words are cheap. And your anonymous words are even cheaper. Talk to me again when you are 20 years older. Oh wait, maybe you are too busy cleaning my office as a janitor by then. Please do a good job. Bye.
Very cute comments here too. Are you the center of the Universe?
The public mindset should change, not your own doings.
Imagine Jack Neo saying that regarding his affairs.
“In view of my affairs, I think Singaporeans should change their mindset and accept these as being normal.”
well well well, my dear friend, why the fuck did u add “i am a retard” behind my post? your cowardice is noteworthy. trying to misrepresent what i’m saying huh? and capital letters? for pete’s sake, this is a reply to a blog post of a dim wit. truth is, i’m just trying to write in a less than perfect way so that you don’t feel so sorry for yourself. as it is, i apologise if i can’t get rid of my habit of perfect grammar otherwise. i’m just too fucking good for you. and why must you hide behind your formal education when standing up to me? “one of the top unis in singapore”? give me a break. how many unis are there in singapore? ain’t every single one one of the top, going by your logic? lol. talk abt reasoning.
if anything, you’re a shame to the perfect gpa you claim. fuck, i don’t even buy that. and since we’re on the topic, i’m sure i’m fucking smarter than you. how abt one of the top unis in the world? some motherfucker should teach you how to spell ‘ivy’ some day.
“That students from elite schools can explain away their apparent wrong-doings under the guise of “education”, while less than elite students simply do not have this convenient excuse.” this is your one pt? and i must say a poorly made pt. firstly, students from elite schools don’t always try to explain such doings as acts in name of education. if you ask me, there’s absolutely nothing wrong playing poker cards for entertainment. besides, there’s no money involved at all. what innocuous fun. doesn’t it remind you of donkey (no, not what you see in the mirror, i mean the card game). and secondly, even if elite students do use the “convenient excuse” that others don’t have, so what? this is life. you talk abt real world experience, you talk abt elite students having no foot in reality, yet you seem to be unable to come to terms with the inherent unfairness in society. do ppl complain that only the rich can afford country clubs in singapore? perhaps you have only been hanging ard with your mediocre one-track friends with similar background all your life. go see the world my friend. get to know the really poor, and the really rich. see the significant difference in their lives. see the reality. learn what is moral luck. and perhaps think abt what u can do for the less fortunate instead of posting ur sanctimonious post slamming elite students. in short, pls get a life instead of nitpicking on elite students. u’ll one of those pains-in-the-neck who whine all day but who is destined to live on state subsidy for the rest of your life (judging from your fucked-up mentality). and for the record, in case u think u have a modicum of intelligence, u don’t. u r one motherfucking loser. u r nothing.
and no i’m not the centre of the universe. i did not even suggest that. but perhaps u felt so because of ur inferiority complex (and of course the fact that my reason is so far better than yours). i sincerely apologise for not anticipating your debilitating inferiority complex.
All I read was yada yada yada strawman1 yada yada yada strawman2….
Your logic is amazing.
if i were you, and had nothing to rebutt, i’d just stfu and close the blog. do consider that
I have nothing to rebutt, because you have given me nothing to rebutt.
What you have written are just illogical, and strawman arguments. How am I supposed to rebutt fallacies?
Please also take a look at this blog. It has been closed for over a year already, and is here only for archival purposes.
I think you are just too free
archiving purposes? i think you’re giving too much credit to your trash. LOL. well if u’re saying that they are strawman arguments, i’m giving you a chance to represent yourself properly and present your arguments in a coherent matter. you know what? if you want me to let you off i will. just stop denying that you’re a motherfucking retard and that you didn’t know what you were talking about for the past 1 yrs plus, though u pretended to know.
Oh wow, now who do you think you are?
You talk so much, yet you don’t even dare to show yourself. don’t make me laugh. you have already mocked your own words enough.
Even so, I already have a good picture of what kind of person you are.
You started commenting using the nick “elitism”, using it as a cover for your real name and as a “subject” to your message. This implies you are accusing me of elitism. Your posts also contains much accusations of me being “elitist”. This means that you feel inferior, as logically only an inferior person can accuse another person who is better as being “elitist”. Yet, later you changed your tune by claiming to to be more “elite” than me after finding out my educational level, because otherwise you are afraid your real educational level will not lend weight to your words when pitted against mine. Therefore, if you are in fact more educated than I am, this is a case of a pot calling the kettle black (in the case of you thinking that I am an elitist). If you are not better educated than I am, then you are just a big liar.
Next, one notable trait is your excessive use of swear words. This is another trait of people who feel inferior, or when they were put into a position when they feel they cannot win, but still want to act “sei”. (Similar reason as why gangsters like to use one whole big vocabulary of swear words, it is the only weapon they have against life and the reality of their inferiority).
Next, if you are even properly educated in a proper University, you should be aware of all the fallacies that one can commit. Fallacies are “loopholes” in our reasoning that sounds logical but are actually illogical. Looking at the amount of fallacies, the quality of your arguments are akin to what one can find in the market place where uneducated aunties gossip. Does having so-called 100% grammar means that are making sense? Grammar is something that can easily be learn from books or attending a short workshop. Having a logical mind and one that makes sense is not.
Insecure and people feeling inferior often like to strike out at one bad attribute of a person they are jealous or unhappy with. For my case, I suck at grammar, (for no other reason than I type at speed and do not re-read what I have written as this is simply not worth my time), and you had to mention it, as if it has anything to do with my opinion and me as a person. If I say that you are a lousy writer because you can’t aim properly when you pee, does it make sense? Attacking one attribute does not negate any other attributes, even if it is the same person/object. I really wonder what you are learning in your University, if you were even in one.
At the same time, you have a HUGE ego. That again is similar to gangsters and hooligans. To make their inferior self seems “bigger”, they swing their arms wider and raise their shoulders when they walk. You are doing the exact same thing here just that in written form. Just face it, this ego is more akin to that of hooligans than a working professional.
Finally, your deliberate refusal to use your real name and details, despite the fact that I am upfront and honest about my identity, coupled with all the inferences above shows this:
You have lots of things to hide, loves lying, and you feel insecure and inferior about your real self. A typical keyboard warrior.
To other readers, please read and read this closely.
Regardless of what you are doing, as long as you are not given a chance to explain it to everyone who saw what you were doing, appearance matters, not what you were really doing.
The RGS girls are really playing poker as a form of educational game, but it doesn’t mean that people who saw that would think that. When playing your Poker in school uniform, are you prepared to spot and identify everyone who saw you and go up to all of them to explain that you are just playing an educational game?
The purpose of this post is quite obvious and all the comments just confirms one thing and one thing only. The girls in the photo don’t give a hoot about the impact this can have on their school’s reputation. That is what they done wrong.
Did I even mention that they are wrong to play cards?
They are wrong to be seen playing cards in the public.
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